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Bernie Coyne sent this:
The following are some great
responses from J/42 owners as a
result of my recent request for
the following information:
The request was:
Hello J/42 owners!
We are entering our J/42 in
the Marblehead to Halifax
race this year and have been
busy making sure the boat is
ready for offshore
conditions. During this
inspection I found that the
sliding companionway hatch
can deflect 1/2" or so when
someone stands on the top of
it when it's closed. So what
I wanted to ask the group
is:
- Has anyone else
noticed this with their
sliding hatch?
- Is this safe for
offshore conditions
where the boat might be
taking breaking waves
over the cabin top?
Any advice would be
appreciated.
Best regards,
Bernie Coyne
J/42 Amigo VI
And the responses are:
-
Mark Mahowald (mark at
29west.com, Strider,
Hull # 57) We took lots
of water on the boat when we
sailed in the Caribbean 1500
last fall. I think the hatch
is safe (although you need
to be sure to be able to
lock it closed with the door
in - We sailed for a couple
of days with the door in and
the hatch closed due to the
frequent large waves that
broke over the boat).
The
hatch does leak a good deal
when there is solid water on
it. We lost a dodger panel
in a wave and so we got a
lot more water over the
hatch than we would have if
the dodger had not torn. It
leaked pretty good through
the gaps in the sliding
channels on each side as the
waves washed over. Not
dangerous amounts of water,
but enough to get things wet
and be annoying. I don't
have a good idea how to fix
it though.
You can simulate the
water from a wave by putting
a hose on the hatch and then
toss a couple of buckets of
water on top at the same
time. Our leaks with just
the hose, but the buckets
really swamp the drainage
and it simply over flows
into the cabin (at least on
my boat).
We were very pleased with
how the boat handled the
rough weather. I tried a few
things to stop the water
flow, but nothing would work
well and let me open the
hatch. When the dodger is in
place, and all the panels
are there, it was never a
problem.
One other thing I would
check is the aft lockers.
Despite some effort on my
part to put in a better
seal, I had leaks through
the hatch of the starboard
aft locker. I did not worry
about the propane locker,
since I assumed it was
sealed - to prevent propane
from getting into the boat,
and had it's own drain. That
was a mistake, in the
propane locker, the bolts
that secure the tank tie
down mechanism were not
caulked at all and they
leaked badly. We got a lot
of water flowing over those
back two hatches and it
leaked on the auto pilot ram
and electronics. You can
check the propane locker by
plugging the drain, and
putting some water in it. If
it leaks water, it will leak
propane which could be
dangerous.
Anyway, these were the
only real problems we had.
The boat never lost control
and was fun to sail. We like
the boat a lot.
The last offshore tip,
which I got from the folks
on Eight Bells
(who have sailed from Maine
to the VI a couple of times
on the J-42 and raced in the
2001 Caribbean 1500 Rally),
was to put a flapper valve
over the exhaust outlet to
keep water from being driven
up the exhaust when you are
in large following seas for
a long time. They cost about
$15, and take 5 seconds to
install, and could save you
from a big problem. Not sure
you need it, but it makes
you feel a little better
when the big waves keep
slapping into the stern !
- Ralph Jones
(hideaways at twlakes.net,
Mystery, Hull # 63)
We have not noticed this
problem, probably because we
keep up the full dodger when
racing offshore. This of
course precludes anyone
standing on the hatch. I
believe in the last Newport
to Bermuda Race all eight
J42-s used their dodgers.
-
Bob Buck (bobbuck at
attbi.com)
I have noticed the same
deflection issue not just on
the J/42, but on most
fiberglass sailboats I've
been on. I don't know what
the laminate schedule is for
the hatch cover, but I
suspect it is plenty strong.
Fiberglass structures are
often stronger than they
need to be because they are
engineered to minimize
deflection. In the case of
the companionway hatch I
suspect J-Boats and TPI
decided that saving weight
was more important than the
deflection. You probably can
get some reassurance from
J-Boats and TPI on this
point.
- Sjors van der
Woerd (sailfelice at cs.com,
Felice, Hull # 8)
With our J42 Felice
we crossed the Atlantic
twice, from Amsterdam,
Holland, to Brazil,
Caribbean and back via Nova
Scotia (Canada) to the Med.
20.000 miles without any big
problem with the boat. The
hatch never bothered us
because I can not remember
that we ever got a solid
wave over the boat.The
only structural problem we
had was that water came in
at the rudder stock when
sailing under pressure. Than
the "bucket" around the
stock appeared to low so we
changed that. With glass
mats we made that bucket 12
inches higher and when water
comes in now it stays in the
bucket and cannot get into
the boat itself.
We wish you a good race,
the boat can take it, no
doubt about that.
-
Bill and Judy Stellin
(wstellin at hotmail.com,
Jaywalker)
Yes, it deflects on our boat
also, yes it is perfectly
safe provided you don't
weigh 250 pounds and jump on
it. No it will not break
with a breaking wave. I
can't imagine a wave
actually breaking on top of
the hatch. The spray hood
would take most of the
force. In our crossing of
the Atlantic, in 3 gales,
never did we have waves that
threatened anything on the
boat.
- Rich Patton MD
(Richard.Patton at
nwhsea.org )
I sailed my J42 from Seattle
to Hawaii and spent quite a
bit of time going to weather
and also with following
waves which filled the
cockpit full of water
several times. Cockpit
drained quickly and boat
didn't seem to become too
much of a slug with cockpit
full. Biggest problem with
sea water was aft hatch
leaking quite a bit as water
came over bow or stern. This
eventually filled bilge and
with boat healed over did
not drain well - J42
relatively flat bottomed.
Water accumulated for
example in battery well,
lower nav station drawer,
etc when on port tack. Took
us a while to identify
origin of leak.
NO problems whatsoever
with companion way hatch. I
have dodger in place so no
one would ever stand on it.
Another difficulty was
anchor well drain became
plugged by debris and anchor
well filled with sea water.
Windlass motor and relay
ruined.
My #1 suggestion is to
check for leaks before going
off shore. Starboard chain
plate deck fitting and mast
boot also leaked
significantly. The boat took
a real pounding on some
stormy days and it felt
strong and safe at all
times. Strangely, main
halyard parted within 2
inches of shackle on Sea -
HI leg and on return trip as
well. Still haven't figured
out why. No additional
problems with halyard after
years of coastal and inland
waters sailing.
We stopped the aft locker
problem at sea with duct
tape. Have been advised that
silly putty effective at sea
for chain plate, mast boot,
etc.
Remembered one other
significant problem. High
output alternator and fancy
regulator system failed. Had
replacements for both.
I remembered an
additional problem from my
HI trip. Within about 24
months of return, ignition
switch malfunction developed
and it had to be replaced.
Probable cause - when
cockpit filled with sea
water, the starter
switch/engine gauge panel
probably filled with sea
water as well and eventually
caused ignition switch to
fail. Potential prevention
would be effective seal of
access port rather than
simple factory cover.
-
Peter & Carol Willauer
(powcarol at stratosnet.com
, Eight Bells)
I don't think that would be
a problem. We have been on
board Eight Bells
since Oct '00.Last year
between Bermuda and Block I
was in 40-45 kts for half a
day and no breaking seas on
board. Had storm jib and a
little 85% jib rolled out.
Wind aft.
Two falls ago in the
Caribbean 1500 ( we were
2nd) following AND cross
waves in the gulf
stream....former never came
aboard, latter swept over
the boat amidships with no
effect. Wind NW 30.
Last fall in westerly
gale halfway to Bermuda in
Nov. 35kts, no main for 30
hrs one wave punched out a
panel of the dodger and bent
it a little!
Just be sure you have a
system to tie in the
companionway slide when it
is out....it is easy to
loose overboard.
What system do you have
for a manual bilge pump
plumbed into the boat:? I
saw one clever one plumbed
into the forward holding
tank line...
Good luck in Halifax. I
won that one a long time ago
on Madcap with
Charlie Leighton - I was the
navigator - never saw the
starting line or the finish
line (and no GPS) and never
took the spinnaker down. You
should do well.
- Ken Maloney
(kmaloney@labormetrix.com,
Scout, hull # 46)
I am owner of J/42
Scout, hull 46. I
read your question about
main the main hatch, and
would like to let you know
of a defect that I believe
exists in all hulls. It has
nothing to do with the
strength of the hatch itself
but rather, the stops that
prevent the hatch from
sliding aft into the
cockpit.In the 2001
Marion-Bermuda race a
crewmember slid the hatch
closed, and a large chip of
gelcoat popped off of the
coachroof, right above the
washboard position. I wrote
it off to a cosmetic
problem, and did not give it
much thought. In fact, the
repair was not made by the
time we started the 2002
Newport-Bermuda race. The
first night of this race, in
very tough conditions, a
crewmember slid the main
hatch closed, and a similar
chip popped off of the
opposite side. Still not
comprehending that this was
more than a cosmetic
concern, we raced along. A
few hours later, the boat
lurched, and the hatch slid
aft, almost coming off its
runners. Seconds later, we
shipped a large wave and
took a good deal of water
below, almost taking out our
electronics.
We secured the hatch with
a lanyard to the steel
compression pipe in the
galley, and thought about
the obvious worst-case
scenario.... losing the
hatch during survival
conditions... not a pleasant
thought.
I talked about this with
the dealer, and he suggested
writing J/Boats... which I
need to do. In your case, if
I were going offshore this
spring, I would at least
have a simple lanyard
connected as I described,
using light line. It sure
can't hurt!
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